I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind a copy of aniguenni's wallpaper.
Also, I don't think it's wise to use libreoffice without java since that's what it's written in.
I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't mind a copy of aniguenni's wallpaper.
Also, I don't think it's wise to use libreoffice without java since that's what it's written in.
Yes, I would like that wallpaper as well. It has the right spirit.
Java in LibreOffice: I am not technician enough to evaluate the arguments. - To have a suitable established office software
- which runs platform-independant
- to which newbies are accustomed
is a must. That LibreOffice takes so much space is a headache, that it needs a Java runtime increases the demand for space and teh headache. But it is apparently unavoidable.
My temporary gues is that I should incorporate a Java runtime (necessary for the flash-plugin as well) to a slitaz version that I will give to some nerds in our school. But LibreOffice I prefer to add in form of this App on the particular CD. And my dream is to get something similar for LaTeX, just for a safe start, not the huge official texlive 2011 version.
It's not that bad. Compare LibreOffice+Java, which is around 220MB, against Office 2007, which takes up about around 600MB.
Mind you, I use Abiword (latest one from http://people.slitaz.org/~jozee/packages/ ), Gnumeric and pptview (from my site - http://www.trixarian.net/SliTaz ) to give me the majority of functionality I need and they take up less than 100MB total. I also use the msttcorefonts package by mojo to get the right fonts for browsing and Abiword.
,,...against Office 2007, which takes up about around 600MB."
Uff, this I did not know. That is much more bad than I thought! ;-)
Against that even a 200-300 MB-latex-App would be tiny.
The proposal for Abiword is ok, I do the same. But please notice that even this is too much for ,,normal users" in a school environment of today.The majority of people there is convinced that any text file is automatically formatted as *.docx in the way like each tree has leaves in the summer. They ,,evaluate" any OS first by the look of the Desktop. In case they would be accustomed to use LibreOffice (installed version) and now you just change the icons they would be frightened thinking that is a complete different piece of software: have a look, isn't it different?
For such cases some programs must be ,,ready". This Portable Apps approach is suitable for that.
pptview is nice, thanks for the offer, and jozee's abiword as well.
=> The most important headache for motivating kids to Slitaz are those (proprietary) graphic card drivers problems - as they blame it on linux. This forum is really full with such kind of troubles, myself being no exception. It took 14 days for me to get Slitaz-cooking perform on one of my machines.
Hi guys,
now I tried the second opportunity (with the portable LibreOffice) on several systems. On my Lifebook it works either with/without java runtime. On my brothers PC it works as well.
But my old PC struggles by opening the portable app. After double click on the symbol it shows the bouncing cusor, and after a short while it disapears and shows the normal arrow again, without doing anything. I tried it several times, but always the same. Maybe because of too low RAM (PC, AMD K6-2, 256 MB RAM)?
Do I have another possibility to view and editing .doc, xls (and any chance for .pps) -files? Does Abiword and Gnumeric allowes to editing the above? I think the programs need to be lightweight for the hardware.
Yes, if you can manage to work without (why shouldn't you?) abiword is ok for that.
I found out in the meantime that LibreOffice App needs, as all Apps do, FUSE to be installed on that machine. I question that with 256 MB RAM it would run. For such machine you need even OpenOffice Version 1 - I remember quite a number of discussions in the Internet about that question.
Some lines from ProBono, the architekt of those Apps:
AppImages require a working FUSE installation - libfuse, fusermount, /dev/fuse
with proper permissions, etc.
This should be the default in most desktop distributions, ...
[...]
If you do not have root rights on your server, you could unpack the AppImage (it
is an ISO file really), and use the resulting AppDir, which does not need FUSE.
Just run the "AppRun" file inside the unpacked AppImage.
[...]
PS. There are many other Apps in this form available. Smaller ones should be ok even on an old machine. I just tried http://portablelinuxapps.org/development/kompozer and it was fine.
Yes, Abiword can even open the dreaded xml formats used by the newer Word (docx), but don't expect the same level of support that LibreOffice has for the formats. For example, Abiword's support for doc tables is terrible. Gnumeric works well for Excel files, but most of the formula scripts won't work exactly as you expect. pptview allows the viewing of Powerpoint files, but you can't edit them. It also needs wine installed to work.
All of them have a few dependencies, so it's a little more work to have them work than LibreOffice.
@anniguenni
In case you are technically interested (I am not!) you might consider to read how those Apps are made:
http://portablelinuxapps.org/docs/1.0/AppImageKit.pdf
This is above my size and interest. My motivation for Linux is a political one, not a technical.
I personally turn off Java for LibreOffice for a couple of reasons, 1. it's nice to be able to lose stuff that isn't absolutely necessary, 2. can't be too sure about this, but LibreOffice does appear a tad faster without JRE. As to why it's doesn't seem 'required', see the following link:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Java
Most of the features listed there as requiring Java to function, I have never utilized. Other than those, LibreOffice seems to function fine without JRE. See,
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibreOffice#Speed_up_LibreOffice
In any case, on my regular laptop I have JRE since most of my other projects require JRE. But on my netbook, it is nice to be able to get rid of that extra bloat since it appears unnecessary. Would have been nice if Abiword worked, but the lack of compatibility with MS Word documents is a deal breaker, especially if you exchange a lot of docs with other people.
The doc compatibility is alright in Abiword if you avoid using tables and non-standard font sizes :P
Hi Folks,
till now, I'm not able to run the LibreOffice on this f... old machine. Maybe I'll take the PC to my brother and plug it on the net, to try to fix everything and install all my wishes.
By the way, what's the difference between SliTaz-3.0 and Slitaz-3.0-3in1? Both have exactly the same size. And I couldn't find out the difference.
My next step - 'll have a try to the SliTaz-3.0-loram version. Just to try sth. new.
The Abiword doesn't suite me, because of the esisting documents, wich contain tables and of course pics as well. So Abiword let them look like ... ;-(
Sorry for my bad english. I'll try to do my best.
Repacking the downloaded LibreOffice not possible. I get a checksum error. I tried several times to tazpkg LibreOffice and repack. No chance. But I still not give up ;-(
Does it make sense to test the loram version? Do I get any effect by using/installing the loram.iso instead of the orig.?
As far as I understand it: no, in case you do a harddrive install.
The benefit of a loram version used as a Live-CD is that the big directory /usr is used from the CD, not charging your RAM, so you can use it even on an old machine with limited RAM. With a real harddrive installation it most likely has no benefit.
@aniguenni, the repack usually fails with a checksum error if something changed after LibreOffice install. See my original post at the beginning of this thread. For repack to work, I had to do it immediately after installing LO. If I install LO, then install something else, or remove something else, then repack fails.
I'm still working to get LibreOffice running on my old PC. But no chance at all. I took the machine to my brother and plugged in on the net and donwloaded LibreOffice. After the download automatically the download of Java started. Everything went fine but at the end I got this message...
... and there is no access to Libre Office in any way. ;-(
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