The roadmap says March 2013 but I understand that couldn't be met? Any tentative date for Slitaz 5.0 release yet?
Christophe Lincoln,the head developer and creator of SliTaz is on a leave of absence from the project for an indefinite period of time.
SliTaz is his baby, in my opinion there will be no 5.0 release until after he returns.
Meanwhile there are commits being made to the cooking repo to fix bugs and fix/add/upgrade packages.
Christophe did say that his baby was in our hands, so we can release SliTaz 5.0 if we band together in an effort to fix cooking for a stable release. I think this warrants a thread all by itself to find out if we'll be able to pull something like that off.
Trixar_za, are there people working on cooking to make stable?
Sorry about my ignorance about the subject, I'm new here.....but I love slitaz and I don't wanna loose it
Only yesterday Christophe made one of his rare appearances in this forum. And now you say he's away for an indefinite period of time? Strange that. Even stranger is that nobody could be arsed to update the roadmap to let the rest of us know what to expect in the foreseeable future. The intransparency of this project is really quite something.
I am very much in favor of the "it's ready when it's ready" principle, which is why I would never be pushy about release dates. Developers in projects like this should not be under pressure, they should not have deadlines hanging over their heads, and they should release their stuff only when they're happy with it. But there's also another side to this: Users should be informed and "kept in the picture" so to speak, about the project status and about important decisions regarding design choices and administrative stuff. But none of this happens here. Servers go off-line (sometimes for days!) without prior announcement and without any explanation afterwards. Strange design choices are made without any opportunity for user feedback etc. etc. A bit over a year ago I have already vented my frustration over similar issues in this thread ...
... but nothing seems to have changed since. If it's true what you're saying, then the project is once again in the messy state it was in in Spring 2011, when slowly, very slowly it became clear that there wouldn't be a version 4 release that year. This is really a shame as the recent rolling releases look very promising.
To me all of this is a serious issue because SliTaz is the only OS I am using. I wasn't so happy with last year's version 4, so I decided to stick around one more year and wait for the release of SliTaz 5. But I won't be able wait yet another year with my aging SliTaz 3 because more and more applications simply no longer work with GTK+ 2.16.5, and updating GTK+ is out of the question.
So, what am I going to do? Should I use "rolling" and keep creating my own customized live version every other week? That doesn't sound comfortable to me ...
If I was as good as you guys I would carry slitaz on my backs.....
The only thing I can do is tell people I know to help....count on me to this
Darjeeling: We're talking about pankso (aka Christophe Lincoln) and not the /other/ Christophe. Next time check your facts before commenting.
We're NOT a formal team and we do tend to live up to the Anarchy that the TAZ in our name implies. Pankso is the one that tends to pull us all together and create something out of our collective mess, but he's busy providing for his son. As such, without his leadership there is no collective news. We're as uninformed as the users most of the time.
Finally Servers and connections go down. Life happens. Do you expect us to predict the future and give fair warning? I don't predict that happening nor with our current disorder finding out the reasons why.
We need a lead to make things happen. I doubt they'd follow me even if I had the drive to do it.
I'll will follow you to death Trixax, because you are a KayMAster !
Go Trixar! It would be really sad to see such a great product die a natural death. I do not under estimate the support needed for an undertaking such as this and be happy to help out in a small way - unfortunately, I do not have the necessary skill set to be able to make a significant contribution.
This political discussion is interesting and healthy. I feel good intentions anyway.
What do you think about to ask Christophe Lincoln what he thinks about it, about his and Slitaz future?
My experience in self-managed organizations (groups, communities, companies, etc) is that it is very important to strengthen the relation between the community and the individuals. The individuals support the community and the community supports the individuals. It is essential to ask the needs of the individuals in the community circle... how much faster the feedback, more efficient and resilient is the organization.
If you have some interest about self-managed organizations, take a look at
This is the future friends. Enjoy it. ;)
I wish the best for the Slitaz community.
Hugs and Cheers.
We don't really function like that. I believe pankso made it pretty clear: It's up to us until he returns.
Why else would he add people that asked to help out - be they skilled or not. The responsibility shapes us and is our badge of pride. We fail ourselves, not the users, when we fail to release.
That said, not even pankso can do a release alone. I have no illusions of my skills in that regard. I'm the least skilled packager and even less so with developing a distro. I am good at solving bugs though. If we're going to do this, them we need to work together and take jobs in what we're good at.
I was just generating a small reflection about organization structure of this community to look to the future. Projects that depend of individuals usually die... and projects that depend of communities go on.
If he has hinted "It's up to us until he returns" this is a good signal, considering the "us" like,
primarily, the committed, confidence and enthusiast community. ;)
Hugs and Cheers.
I also can react
The SliTaz community may seem to some, chaotic.
This will have nothing.
As Trixar_za points out, is to all of us as much as we (testers, developers and ordinary users) to live this community.
If Pankso trusted us to continue his work during his absence, he knows that the community can manage without it being chaos.
What is the strength of SliTaz and what I like is the community that is willing to help all users whether they are new, a medium or expert level.
Myself, I try to report bugs I find, to help people on this forum, to promote SliTaz, within the limits of my skills and much more. For this community insists me to always improve my knowledge.
I know that I'm nothing more than a simple user but I would like to suggest a very simple thing :
Make an ISO with all the stuff to make Slitaz working on the most Hardware's and find routines that will brings users to have directly all the necessary to fit their Slitaz for their own use.
I know I have already speak about it but the thing is that when simple user like me want to install Slitaz on a Windows user computer, he just see how Linux looks complicated as I spend time for Display, Xorg, Wifi .. and when it doen't work .. So Frustrating!... and sometimes And even have ethernet to download all this and have a look on the forum !!
I suggest a full CD of all the most popular packages and all the hardware and within it a kind of step-by-step (like windows) where the user has to parameter all his stuff in some gtk-window (choose theme : linux mint, size resolution, packages to include in rootfs.gz, introduce wifi parameter..) : all these preferences shoud be register in a single file. And when done, the user can create a rootfs.gz and directly install frugal it beside Windows xp,vista,7. It's really when it turns in RAM than Slitaz worth it! This single file should be updated if the user change his preference (i.e : wifi configuration)
To summarize, I think that Slitaz don't need no more new packages presently but just something which could integrate it more among Linux newcomers, beside some lxde popular themes : linux mint, lubuntu, ubuntu purple, new orange Slitaz . AND, last but not least, a boot splash !
I find it interesting moulefrite standpoint.
Something I always thought, SliTaz distro should continue as minimalist or should evolve into a more complex distro?
Another point of discussion is the one that has been here http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/nimrod-the-great#post-11900
Binary vs. interpreted code, I think it is essential to define points when starting a new job.
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