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• Started 10 years ago by Aleksej
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   Aleksej
   

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   Warning!
   This topic describes the development of a tramys application. Things change very quickly, so the first post is no longer relevant. To download the latest version of the client, use the following page: http://cook.slitaz.org/cooker.cgi?pkg=tramys-client

   Hi dear friends!

   I want to present you my new script tramys2.
   Now you can translate your whole SliTaz to your native language in a few easy steps.

    
   How to install

   I not prepared package yet, and right now you can install it this way:
   

   su
   (blind type root password here)
   
   wget -O /usr/bin/tramys2 http://people.slitaz.org/~lexeii/tramys/tramys2
   
   chmod a+x /usr/bin/tramys2

    
   Preconditioning

   Check your locale setting using command in terminal:
   printenv LANG
   Change it if you need using Applications menu → Preferences → System language

   Check your internet connection. You'll get nothing without working internet connection.

    
   How to use

   Note, you should be root to modify/install system files:
   

   su
   (blind type root password here)
   
   tramys2

    
   What it costs

   I have about 700 packages installed on my SliTaz desktop.
   It costs in time about 20 seconds of waiting, then about 3 seconds of downloading file.
   It costs in traffic about 2.5 MB (note my ~700 packages).

    
   How to hack

   You'll find tramys's files here: http://people.slitaz.org/~lexeii/tramys/
   See also previous version here: http://hg.slitaz.org/wok/file/tip/tramys

    
   Happy translating! :D

   Leave your notes, comments and wishes here.

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   Sidini
   

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   Very nice initiative!
   It will help more people to use Slitaz in their native language.

   If you could pack (.tazpkg) it, it'll be more practical for most users. (Yeah, I'm a bit lazy... hehehe)

   Thanks Aleksej!

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   necrophcodr
   

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   -deleted-

   Yeah, why not post a release directly?

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   necrophcodr
   

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   It also appears that the download contains nothing. When downloading the tramys.tgz file, unpacking it results in no content being extracted, and the download itself is listed as being 85 bytes.

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   Ceel
   

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   Well done Aleksej!

   You should stick your post on the home page of the forum or in a few month it'll be lost in its depths.

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   Aleksej
   

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   Hi guys,

   Thanks for your comments!
   First release coming soon.
   Just I need to implement more features and to write nice GUI for it.

   necrophcodr,

   Analyzing server logs I see 8 attempts from your IP address, first and last using web browser. Other using busybox's wget.

   Strange thing is why server does not receive list of your packages.

   Maybe you are using old and uncompatible version of wget? Can you report it, please?

   Here output from busybox wget --help from my current SliTaz rolling:

   Command line: busybox wget --help 
   
   BusyBox v1.22.1 (2014-08-20 16:03:24 Europe) multi-call binary.
   
   Usage: wget [-c|--continue] [-s|--spider] [-q|--quiet] [-O|--output-document FILE]
   	[--header 'header: value'] [-Y|--proxy on/off] [-P DIR]
   	[-U|--user-agent AGENT] [-T SEC] URL...
   
   Retrieve files via HTTP or FTP
   
   	-s	Spider mode - only check file existence
   	-c	Continue retrieval of aborted transfer
   	-q	Quiet
   	-P DIR	Save to DIR (default .)
   	-T SEC	Network read timeout is SEC seconds
   	-O FILE	Save to FILE ('-' for stdout)
   	-U STR	Use STR for User-Agent header
   	-Y	Use proxy ('on' or 'off')

   And here from my dusty SliTaz 4.0:

   Command line: busybox wget --help 
   
   BusyBox v1.18.4 (2012-03-14 03:32:25 CET) multi-call binary.
   
   Usage: wget [-c|--continue] [-s|--spider] [-q|--quiet] [-O|--output-document FILE]
   	[--header 'header: value'] [-Y|--proxy on/off] [-P DIR]
   	[--no-check-certificate] [-U|--user-agent AGENT][-T SEC]  URL
   
   Retrieve files via HTTP or FTP
   
   Options:
   	-s	Spider mode - only check file existence
   	-c	Continue retrieval of aborted transfer
   	-q	Quiet
   	-P DIR	Save to DIR (default .)
   	-T SEC	Network read timeout is SEC seconds
   	-O FILE	Save to FILE ('-' for stdout)
   	-U STR	Use STR for User-Agent header
   	-Y	Use proxy ('on' or 'off')

   I gave up to transfer packages list to server using HTTP headers because only short headers are supported. And I found nothing to make HTTP POST in the busybox. And here a trick: I transfer list using the UserAgent string (-U option). It can be so large to contain full list of packages, and we do not need to care about encoding/decoding some symbols like "+" in the "gtk+" to some other forms.

   Here a question, necrophcodr, do your wget supports "-U" option?

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   necrophcodr
   

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   @Aleksej my version of wget is the same as yours, however the issue pending is that I do not wish to transfer a list of all my installed packages to the server. Hence, I attempted to download the file straight away.
   It didn't work though, as you might imagine.

   But why not release the new software as a tazpkg? Or at least as a receipt? What keeps you from doing just that?

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   Aleksej
   

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   necrophcodr,

   OK, I've understand you. Do you think, is it a security issue to give server your package list? I'm not joke.
   Do I need a little note "Your package list will be transferred to SliTaz server."?
   You can use tramys version 1 which not sended list to server.

   And now... Release! For all :D

   Yes, it works for me. Tested right now.
   http://cook.slitaz.org/cooker.cgi?pkg=tramys-client
   Download using Download link, then install as you like (using terminal or GUI double click downloaded file).
   After some time (really I don't know) you'll find package in the SliTaz repo using command # tazpkg recharge (not now).
   It designed to work in the SliTaz 4.0/stable too.

   After package installing you'll find "tramys" icon in the Application menu → Preferences. Yes, here is a GUI now.

   Request for comments.

   Posted 10 years ago #
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   necrophcodr
   

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   @Aleksej

   I do think it could possibly be a security issue, but more so a privacy issue. Users should not need to inform any server of their packages, unless given consent to.

   Furthermore, would it be possible to avoid installing the above client and run the GUI script as a user?

   Posted 10 years ago #
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    Aleksej
    

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    necrophcodr,

    As far as I understand, this script does not reduces the level of user privacy.
    As you know all server access are logging. And there somewhere in the server's access log is written that you (someone from your IP address) downloaded a few packages...

    When you using first version of tramys, it just downloads few specified files. And it logged too. Someone who have access to server logs and who knows your IP will know your locale (because you download specific files) and (reduced) list of your packages (only that which has translations for your locale).

    I think you understand that I don't need any information from users, and I don't collect this information and don't track SliTaz users.

    As for GUI. No. This GUI is for client-server architecture in tramys2 only.
    You can use tramys (not tramys2) in your console using command
    

    tramys -g

    You can get help using command:
    

    tramys -h

    Or you can download any files using FTP connection in the Midnight Commander using address ftp://cook.slitaz.org/

    But you should understand that “every your step” is logged on server.

    Any suggestions?

    Posted 10 years ago #
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    Aleksej
    

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    I have an idea, and need some time to implement it.

    What server logs? User's IP address, HTTP request with GET variables, User Agent. And I not sure about timestamp logs or no. Possibly yes.

    As you may know, two main HTTP protocols are GET and POST. If we post our request to server using HTTP POST, it will not logs. I mean that we still can see in the access log: IP, UA, but base URL without details about locale and packages list. Good. Seems it's better solution.

    Problem is in busybox. I see no tool inside busybox to make HTTP POST.
    GNU wget can send POST data, but I not want to add any extra depends to base system.
    Maybe anyone have an idea how to do POST in the SliTaz base environment?

    Right now I have another idea. It is a trick too, but it may solve issue with server logs and privacy.

    Reading sources:
    http://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/networking/httpd.c#n1365
    I've found that I can use only several HTTP headers where I can store request:
    HTTP_USER_AGENT, HTTP_ACCEPT, HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE, HTTP_COOKIE, CONTENT_TYPE and HTTP_REFERER.

    I think it's not bad to use HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE to store locale, and use HTTP_COOKIE to store packages list.

    Any suggestions?

    Posted 10 years ago #
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    necrophcodr
    

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    Well, for POSTing, you can read the TinyCM code and see that there is already POST possible on the server side, with no issues at all.
    However, on the client side, I am not sure how well it would work with wget. cURL supports POSTing data though, but I am not sure if this is installed with a base install of SliTaz, possibly not.
    In that case it would not be possible to use POST I suppose,but it is good to see that SliTaz does not do any kind of tracking. It is best avoided, and serves no greater use for the user base, nor the developers.

    Posted 10 years ago #
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    mscythe
    

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    Yes, use curl: http://cook.slitaz.org/cooker.cgi?pkg=curl

    Post Example: curl http://127.0.0.1:8081 -XPOST -H 'Accept: application/json' -d 'user=me&message=hello'

    Posted 10 years ago #
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    Aleksej
    

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    mscythe,

    Thank you for examples.
    Curl is my favorite networking tool :D I have written several programs using it. Referers, post, get, cookies... It can do everything... But there is a situation that SliTaz not uses cURL "out of the box". And I think that would be overkill to install cURL for my little tool.

    necrophcodr,

    I really can not figure out whether you're talking about serious and deliberate, or just kidding?
    What are you talking about?
    Yes, trimmed wget from Busybox can not do POST. But it does not mean absolutely nothing.

    Now you write a message on this forum in the browser. You press the button "Send Post" and, of course, it is sent by the browser to the SliTaz server using the HTTP POST method. Can not you guess? Does the using this method of browsers says about whether tracking users? Complete crap. The point is not to POST... I have doubts, do you know actually, what came up with the POST method? If not, do not worry. Just do not need to make far-reaching conclusions without understanding.

    And do not you know that all servers are maintained logs? SliTaz servers are no exception. If you go on the forum, if you are downloading the packages - it's all you can see in the logs. Will I advise you that you have not used SliTaz distro and SliTaz servers? No, I will not. I think that the mind still win. And paranoia will go away.

    it is good to see that SliTaz does not do any kind of tracking.

    Sources of all our developments you'll always find at hg.slitaz.org. We are open. Believe me, there are a lot of interesting things other than keep track of which packages are installed by the user. And as usual, you are free to use or not to use my script.

    Oh, wait! A little announcement for those who do not understand our dialogue.

    I have not written a tool for tracking users :D And believe me, that is a serious insult to me :(
    I wrote a tool that allows user in a few mouse clicks, without hesitation, to translate all of the SliTaz programs onto your native language, be it Polish, German, Belarusian or Afrikaans...

    I'll be happy to continue to use this program. You do as you wish.

    Posted 10 years ago #
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    Sidini
    

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    Hi Aleksej!

    I tested your script at Slitaz 5.0 RC2 (LiveCD), and it works well here! Thanks!

    One suggestion: in case you have free-time enough, why don't you write a Guide at Doc section, explaining users on how to use tramys? As Ceel said above, here in Forum your post will "disapear" in a few months.

    Have a nice day!

    Posted 10 years ago #

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