not a support question
desmo
offlineMember
Some people have a modern PC/notebook. It would be great, if you guys create 2 version of Slitaz. One for modern and one for older PC. Maybe changing to the latest kernel and better hardware support for modern one. And of course RAM and hd space is not a problem for modern PC.
Sorry for my bad english
christophe
offlineMember
My 2 cents.
I think the first thing to do is ensure updates of packages so that they work (some dependencies need updates) and that current packages are available, specially for browser and mail, which we use all the day (at least I do, but frankly, who does not). Because of the certificate, i see a security risk in NOT doing it. And, in general, i would like to be sure that the system can be upgraded if there is a know security issue (which I do not believe it is, at this time).
I have been trying to use linux as a replacement of XP since 2006 and only in the last year does it start too look as feasible: with mint lxde....
Slitaz is very very close, but to solve some issues ends up going through the forum and through the documentation a lot. This is not so easy because when i do a google search i can never be sure that the page of the documentation applies to the version i am using.
(I already suggested that each documentation page should have in its header the version of Slitaz to which it applies: wouldnt you want to be sure that the doc of your microwave belongs to the microwave and not to the dishwasher ? or to the previous microwave you had 2 years ago)
Second, I am finding some problems that make me wonder how much slitaz OSes are really used by you fellows, or if they are used at all.
Instead of issuing a new version 4.0 i would have preferred the problems to be fixed in 3.0 first. If they are not, then i do not beleive they will be solved in 4.0 out of the box (eg still no icon in the application bar for a terminal...), for one, and second, i view a painfull upgrade path...
As an example, i had to modify the skype script so that skype can use the webcam.
There was also a dependency missing for being able to print from libreoffice (i think that problem existed with OO too, but i could not solve it back then). I had to convert the dependency from a deb file. That one specially made me wonder who really uses Slitaz in real life ie with OO or libreoffice.
Another thing i am missing is playonlinux: that allows to install MS OFFice, and i view that as a must must must (the last version of libreoffice looks promising but still has problems that do not exist with office 2003).
And last i am having a problem with connecting my scanner (parallel port) (which works with mint or crunchbang).
I still prefer Slitaz (V3) for the interface, the speed, and guarantee i will not kill my system when playing (frugal boot that i save with a tazusb writefs when i want too)
But Mint LXDE has play on linx (ie, msoffice runs on it), supports my scanner, and pretty much everything works.
Oh ! i prefer the logout menu of 3.0 rather than 4.0 which has an extra (unecessary) pulldown menu.
And i had it running for 3 weeks as my main OS once about a year ago.
With the recent changes i introduced, i am feeling ready for another marathon of this kind (well maybe 40 days ;) )
I would think that if (we) want to go to a next stage, ie, jump form the slot of <nice 30mB toy> to <nice beautifull usefull small fast everyday's tool>, then it is time to take a more proactive approach, establishing a small panel of users who try to use Slitaz as there main OS, and, conversely, make sure the problems of these people get solved for the benefit of the mainstream...
To me, the differentiator with other linuses is the small size (/ is 1GB here and i have pretty much everything i need) and the frugal mode. I love that.
How about something that no distro is focusing on, yet can be a very valuble tool? A live secure distro oriented for online use. Now only would you attract Linux crowd, but the Windows and Mac crowd. It would protect their hard drives, because it runs in ram. Cant' catch a virus, because it's not installed. Load it with interent apps and lock it down tight. No ones doing really. Except me, but not with SliTaz. I still haven't had you guys ell me how I can add a user to the remaster so it won't auto signe in as root.
Trixar_za
offlineKey Master
@christophe: PlayOnLinux will never work with SliTaz. Why do you ask? Let me put this nicely. It only works on Ubuntu and Ubuntu-derivatives (like Mint and CrunchBang). It's heavily dependent on having the ability to download several version of Wine, because different Windows software seems to work better on only certain versions of Wine. Office is one of these culprits. If you want something that might run PlayOnLinux and is small try Lupu Puppy Linux. Otherwise, stop making it a requirement for SliTaz, because sadly, you will be disappointed because SliTaz was created from scratch and isn't based on Ubuntu like 90% of all the distributions out there.
@Surfer Linux systems can't catch Windows Viruses anyway...
Filou
offlineModerator
@Surfer: not sure if the adduser cmd now creates a valid home directory but if not, i installed additional users by:
# su (pw: root)
# cp -r /home/tux /home/[new_user]
# adduser [new_user] (entering new pw)
# chown -R [new_user].[new_user] [new_user]
If you use tazlito for creation of a new live-cd then (or tazusb respectively) then you are done.
For change of autologin you might have to edit /etc/slim.conf.
P.S.: normally you auto-login as user tux, not as root...
maiden
offlineMember
Wide language support ...
I don't know what do i want out of SliTaz, you make needed things before i think of them.
Slitaz is great distro, i use it since version 2.0 and like it because it's not Ubuntu...
It runs perfectly on most barebones and thin stations, Slitaz is small, Slitaz is fast, Slitaz is modular and easy to use ... Love it ...
I wish you every success!
Guys, you are great!
christophe
offlineMember
Hello Trixar,
Just to make it clear, MSOffice is not a request of mine, it is a request of the vast majority of (business) PC users. Except for that reason, I could not care less for playonlinux, and maybe we should just ensure we have the 2 or 3 packages for wine that allow to run office as required. For that would largely be enough. I still want to try the appropriate version for office 2003 on Slitaz, just a time issue...
Furthermore i have seen (but not tested) the new options of winetricks which help in the whole process. I tried it on slitaz with the default wine version but i was not successfull.... will let you know if it works with another version
Trixar_za
offlineKey Master
winetricks is a bash script that downloads the right Ubuntu packages so Wine can have a better support for certain Windows functions. If I remember correctly, it downloaded Samba, the MS Fonts and several dlls. I haven't used it in years, so I can't be more specific.
christophe
offlineMember
well since my first attempt with it it largely changed. There seems to be a relevant option to install msO2003 though I cannot tell what special it does.
With PoL the relevant wine version is 1.1.30 (different from the one available on slitaz)
I already tried other versions, but not that one, and not with winetricks (PoL uses winetricks)
Last i tried pol i hit a number of problems (with python prerequisite it seems) but i could give it another try.I will let you know, when i try, if it gets me anywhere....
maiden
offlineMember
MSO2003 "it is a request of the vast majority of (business) PC users".
Slitaz is the best Live system, needed to repair data, internet connection, work on old hardware or use it like personal mobile usb-flash system ... If you want to run MSO you will need 30Mb Slitaz ISO + 500Mb MSO + 100Mb depending packages, that's not mobile variant and it will not work on old hardware...
Why don't you try others distros for that purposes, such as Elive with wine preinstalled or take full system: OpenSuse, Ubuntu and others???
Somewhat Reticent
offlineMember
Like so many others, I want to use my computer (hardware, and connections). I want a (software) base I can build on: not only pre-compiled tools I can add, but also a toolset and standards for making what isn't available pre-compiled. I want to be able to find out more about what I'm using: version-specific (hyperlinked?) documentation, or effective directions on where to find it. Of course, I also want to be able to negotiate hiring someone to tackle challenges I wish to avoid, and to contribute directly to what works for me.
'On The Other Hand', what I do not want is hardware I can't use, software broken by updates, data (including my OS) I can't restore or adapt, endless politics or monopoly abuse.
SliTaz is a set of ideals, a community, a system of software base and tools, and more.
It's modular, documented, supported, elegant and effective. May such a light shine forever.
Sorry, I got carried away.
Anonymous
offlineUnregistered
What I expect out of SliTaz is a very minimal system that can be tailored for just about any intended application one may have in mind. This said, I would also expect that basic hardware recognition and support would be one of your strong points - keyboard & mouse, video, internet connectivity, and any connected devices such as storage drives, USB devices, and so on. Only the most basic and necessary software applications should be included. In other words, the ability to begin working with the system and tailoring it for my needs. In my opinion, SliTaz is very close to this goal.
I've been an avid follower of Slitaz for a very long time, and have been checking the site almost daily over the last year to watch for news of 4.0.
To me, Slitaz seems to be in its own league. Gentoo generally builds a rather large system, and doesn't have support for uclibc. Tinycore has far too few packages in its database, and terrible video driver support.
The great thing about Slitaz for me is that it's the ideal Linux distribution to place on a USB key. It does more things right than any other mini distro.
But what I would really love to see in Slitaz, is for it to borrow more good ideas from other distributions, so long as they don't increase the size:
-Something similar to Tiny Core's dynamic package loading and unloading system. (to save even more ram on older pc's,)
-A more user-friendly way to turn a currently running slitaz session into a new liveCD or USB install.
-A Slitaz Studio version, that would include ardour and keep more up-to-date versions of gimp, blender, inkscape, etc (going to try to tackle this last one myself after 4.0 final is out)
Slitaz is a truly amazing distro, and can't really be compared with any other.
michaelbischof
offlineMember
A small, handy distro one can start with, that can be ,,enlarged" with some of the often needed bigger-sized programs with ease, that runs quick even on older hardware (up to 500 MB RAM)-and as a basic requirement a nice, polite and friendly communitry that helps to iron out problem that one will face in case new programs are brought into Slitaz. I am no nerd and want to go deeper into technical details only in case it is necessary to make things run that I want, not a very intrinsic motivation then.
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