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I had good time debating with you.
My conclusion:
I'm an anarchist, and thus anti-elitist, I hate situations in which power is concentrated in the hands of a limited number of people.
Do what you want, you are free to do it, its a part of the spirit of a taz.
We'll wait and see what the whole community (why oppose users and devels?) decide.
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To take an Anarchist view: It would be up to the user and dev to decide which language they choose to use. Anarchy also leans towards biggest stick wins. Currently Nimrod is the better stick.
Like I told godane earlier, implementation is still far off and we'll have challenges like the integration of po files to deal with.
There is no point in trying to kill Nimrod code just yet.
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Hi domcox,
By using self-limiting tools (ash, awk), you allow ordinary users to take control of their system and let them develop their creativity. There are no more developpers on one side and consumers on the other side, but people building together solutions.
Let me introduce myself. I'm ordinary user of SliTaz.
All the code I wrote (and continue to write) for the SliTaz, I wrote only for myself, to make me was more comfortable. I translated the site, some of the documentation and programs into Russian language only to make me personally was more comfortable.
But I just can not afford not to share it with others. I know that any work should be done only once. Why wasting time and energy doing something over and over again? I share my improvements with others, while others share these with me.
I'm glad to see that every day our distro is getting better and better!
I like our collaboration, I like our team of professionals. I am very proud that I can make improvements to our distro!
I'm not new to the SliTaz, I'm with him since 3.0. You can find my posts in an old Vanilla forum.
But for all this time I first saw such a open hostility to me and what I do. I do not understand what I'm doing wrong? Why this incomprehensible philosophical twaddle to me?
I found out the existence of new to me, interesting programming language. I tried to write pieces of code on it. In my opinion, it turned out great! I shared my joy (and code) to all in this topic. Anyone who wants to — take it, use it! I do not mind, I would be pleased
I shared my joy. And now? Respected community, you see, in what has become this topic?
I'm an anarchist, and thus anti-elitist, I hate situations in which power is concentrated in the hands of a limited number of people.
domcox, why do you hate me?
Or you are afraid me?
What is so special power in my hands?
But, enough of empty talk! Instead of it, I better write few lines of wonderful code.
And I will always continue to share my achievements with other people.
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Hi all:
I have been following this issue from the start. I admit as Aleksej had never heard of Nimrod, which has nothing wrong, you can always start learning ..
I see that both arguments have their valid reasons, first defended the speed and efficiency of binaries built with nimrod, and on the other hand argue philosophical reasons, where users lose the ability to adjust the system to our needs (ash or awk ), which according to my opinion is not entirely true, as he rightly says Trixar_za nimrod binaries must be accompanied by source code ..
The big question: where will SliTaz?
and this is where I think it would be good for everyone to hear from Pankso -for example-(since this is if I understand rewriting Tazpkg)
I personally believe that everything happens for fear of the unknown and the unknown is not always wrong ..
Greetings to all and keep working for SliTaz, that if a change is good, maybe it should try. -
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Hi Aleksej and Trixar_za,
I'm just a weird guy who can't resist raising political debates on every small issue. I do not want to hurt someone and I apologize to you if it already happened.
Both of you are thoughful, enthusiastic and passionate about SliTaz, the whole project can only benefit from such commitement. I didn't want to bother you, I just tried, as a lone individual, to express my personal thoughts about Nimrod.
To be clear, I don't want to go through boring Edit-Compile-Test-Debug Cycles anymore. If instead you've used Lua, which is already included in SliTaz, I've said good, I'm in.
I'm sorry, if I ever hurt your feelings.
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To the use of Lua: No. Make that a HELL NO. Do you know how Damn Small Linux died? The use of murgaLua for everything and an author that doesn't understand the GPL. He essentially, by his asshattery, killed DSL. I don't want SliTaz to suffer the same fate.
Also back to an interpretive vs binary argument:
Binary Fast.
Interpreted Script Slow.
End of story
If you tried Nimrod you would notice the compiler creates an compiler cache after the first time you compile a program. This means each compile of said program afterwards is lightning fast. Also with the built-in debugger code (which you can strip after your done with -d:release) helps track down problems. Edit-Compile-Test-Debug Cycle is now comparable to using a interpretive script. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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