not a support question
slimhunter
offlineMember
@trixar: i was talking about a theme for Slitaz to make it like win95-98 :D
About improvements, one interesting thing would be something for viewing youtube videos WITHOUT the browser, which is a ram eater...i look with pleasure at Minitube by Flavio Tordini and Youtube-gtk-viewer
sixofeight
offlineMember
@moulefrite
To make a step in your direction:
The Slitaz developers could take a look at what the Porteus crew did
They are offering a "web-wizzard". There you can choose whatever
you want/need, and the wizzard will build then your customized iso
ready to download.
maybe this could be a good way to go???
kultex
offlineKey Master
@ sixofeight
I dont know, hwo invented it? - but it exists long time in SliTaz:
moulefrite
offlineMember
Yes, I know pizza. It's nice idea. But very far to suit a extreme beginner in Linux word.
We really need an ISO with the most hardware support and able to recognize and auto-install (or help the user in a Wizzard) the right drivers and leave the rest on the CD.
Is it really difficult to copy-paste some stuff in the menu in a kind of new Wizzard panel (with Gtkdialogue or beside Slitaz Panel ?)
sixofeight
offlineMember
@slimhunter
Instead of watching Youtube videos in the browser,
you can also watch Youtube video in VLC
1. Open VLC and go to “Media -> Open Network Stream”.
2. Paste the Youtube video URL into the field. Click Play.
(not tested with the vlc-version available for Slitaz,
because vlc is not installed here, I'm using M-Player)
@kultex
Thanks for the reminder
I had totally forgotten
tazpider
offlineMember
How about using lspci -v and id's to determine for what hardware drivers must be installed and configured? Some sort of script filtering results and building list of necessary drivers?
Maybe it's stupid idea, I got no knowledge about programming ;) (just started reading a shell scripting howto :))
christophe
offlineMember
Reality check:
- for anyone using hotmail, prism is not an issue; so choosing Slitaz/midori would not be for such a user/motivation; I agree however that one of the reason I like slitaz and have been using it now and then is because it gave me some sense of higher security (I would feel much better if we would get regular security updates, which we do not...)
- the question at this time, it seems, is about to get a V5 out at all, not so much developping/adding additionnal functionnalities....
V5 looks promising from what I have seen, and it is a great idea to add support for as much hw as possible (it already does eg V5 turned on my external monitor and my hw was recognised out of the box, much better than with v4); I would include here as much wifi/ethernet/Video, without which the rest of the system is just irrelevant.
I would think that size would not be too much of an issue if focusing on these (but might be wrong).
The printer to need some extra steps is not an issue in my view.
Trixar_za
offlineKey Master
Let me put it like this:
TinyCore without Wifi: 10Mb
TinyCore with Wifi: 40Mb
tazpider
offlineMember
And now we came to question : what developers want Slitaz to be?
To my opinion, if iso size is really that important, it will never reach much more users than currently.
Unless there will be an option (for those which prefere to have it more complex) of easy "upgrade" with all wanted drivers on the fly, during installation or preparation of customized rootfs.
Trixar_za
offlineKey Master
We want it to be Simple, Small and Lightweight. That's our goal.
christophe
offlineMember
30MB for wifi alone is certainly 3x what I had expected as a rough (uneducated) guess :(
Seems by today's standards and world, a distro wihouth wifi is close to unusable (same applies for video) though.
Lacking either totally defeats the idea of slitaz on a stick, it turns out being unusable at the time I need it on the available hw (and I speak here from real world frustration).
Maybe we could do a wifi metapackage with everything wifi related, and leave that last choice to the user (it could even be working this way today).
Trixar how is that choice made today ? like default slitaz covering 80 90 % of supposed installed base?
moulefrite
offlineMember
For the moment, Slitaz policies is to make a 30-40mb compressed ISO. It's sounds ideological.. but why not after all. I just want to remember that it's the image size, one decompressed, which matters and it's over 100mb.
Also, I just want to precise - ONCE AGAIN - that my idea IS NOT to grow up the image size, but just the ISO and let people produce their own fitted rootfs image with a easy Wizzard and no need of an Internet connection.
If you lend a usb key with a ready-to-boot 300 mb SLitaz on it, you have FAR MORE chance that he will test it rather than he has to download himself a tiny 30 mb and put out itself to understand a basic thing such as .. making a live usb! Moreover if tazusb doesn't always work! Why should he face such a moutain before he could see a video on Youtube?
Slitaz really deserves to be more spread in the public. Time to be realist! If people keep buying win8 crap, it's only because their so lazy. And if they say .. " Linux ? Bof.. it doesn't work " .. you know what ? They are right ! Oh yes, one can say .. bla bla .. it's because you have to do this .. bla bla ... do that ... Linux has fail to be the main Desktop OS - despites it's quality - because it was an autistic cosmos for too long ; because for ignorent people, the sentence is very clear : I cannot use it in the 10 minutes ? --> trash bin. Sad, but true.
Darjeeling
offlineMember
> We want it to be Simple, Small and Lightweight. That's our goal.
... that's why I was surprised when SliTaz 4 made the inclusion of Webkit kind of mandatory. Nice as an integrated admin & configuration tool like TazPanel is, and impressive as a dedicated tiny web browser like TazWeb is, I think the distribution took a wrong turn when people decided to create something like a mini Ubuntu and in the process sacrificed for mere comfort some of the simplicity, flexibility and transparency of previous releases. The latest version of libwebkit weighs in at 30+ MB (extracted). How can such a huge lump be justified in a distro that wants to be lightweight, especially when it is only used in an auxiliary function, which is the case for people who use Firefox or Opera as their main browser?
And then there is the loss of flexibility that comes with the integration of a large variety of functions in a single interface (TazPanel). I use SLiTaz exclusively from a customized live CD and, since size matters, I remove everything from the CD that I don't need (wifi and other hardware related stuff, grub and other installation related stuff etc). But this is where the newly introduced inflexibility kicks in because as soon as I remove Parted and GParted, the dependency chain ripples through to TazPanel, which in my opinion also makes TazWeb and Webkit redundant. And then there are the two permanently open local ports and lots of other little bits and pieces that I don't want to go into now ...
So, yes, I'd also like to believe that "Simple, Small and Lightweight" is the objective. But on the evidence of recent developments I think SliTaz is moving in the opposite direction.
Trixar_za
offlineKey Master
libwebkit is about as light as you're going to get a web browser framework that supports Javascript and proper css. Most Distros include it now for use with their browsers and documentation tools. It's easy to say it's unneeded, but I don't see you suggesting alternatives.
As for my point, each person's definition of the three points differs and I've been in way too many arguements about what to include and what not to include. But simple math will suggest this: The more you include, the bigger the RAM usage, the slower the creation and the boot times, the less likely somebody will patiently wait for a memory whore to boot and the less impressed they'll be to use it. So what can we do? We can make a separate flavour that includes wifi drivers rather that pushing it down people's throats that doesn't have wifi (like me). I find it funny that nobody has mentioned 3G or dial up yet.
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