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#1 2014-04-15 13:07:33

Reo
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Graphical desktop not opening

Hi, I know this question has been asked before. I have looked in to many similar threads, but the solution is eluding me.

I have downloaded slitaz-4.0.iso live and burned to cd. I have tried it out in my Toshiba satellite and it opens up nicely. The thing is, that I would like to use it in an older laptop, Toshiba Tecra 8000.

Here we run into problems as the only thing that opens up is the so called, busybox (I think).

At this point I have come so far that I have managed to:

root@slitaz:/home/tux# /etc/init.d/slim start    (Press Enter)

it gives

Starting Slim login manager: Slim...              OK

At this point I dont know what to expect,but pressing Enter will give me just another line in the busybox.

I am not familiar with Linux at all, so if you think that burning another cd with slitaz-3.0.iso, will solve it, I might try that.

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#2 2014-04-15 13:40:26

sixofeight
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

A search for the Toshiba Tecra 8000-specs turns out that you might have

only 128mb ram, which is not enough.

look here:

http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/40-wont-give-windows-manager#post-28222

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#3 2014-04-15 14:35:54

bellard
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Try http://mirror.slitaz.org/iso/4.0/flavors/slitaz-4.0-loram.iso

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#4 2014-04-15 19:39:00

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Do I have to choose

slitaz-4.0-loram-cdrom.iso

if I would like to keep the present OS(XP)on the laptop for now.

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#5 2014-04-17 08:54:09

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Let me rephrase the question.

What is the difference between

slitaz-4.0-loram.iso

and

slitaz-4.0-loram-cdrom.iso

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#6 2014-04-17 10:06:19

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

slitaz-4.0-loram-cdrom.iso -> CDrom needs to remain in the reader; for really low memory system.

With 128MB, slitaz-4.0-loram.iso should work; it'll be slower than the stable version because a part of the file system is still compressed in RAM.

see http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:lowramcd#live-cd-for-low-ram-systems

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#7 2014-04-17 18:40:24

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Now I have booted slitaz-4.0-loram.iso, but that did not do it. I am back in the box.

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#8 2014-04-18 20:58:44

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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

post the output of

lspci | grep VGA

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#9 2014-04-21 16:13:42

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Could not find vertical bar (pipe), on my Tecra, so I used broken pipe. Anyway

tux@slitaz:~$ lspci | grep VGA

gave

00:04.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [Magigraph 256AV] (rev12)

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#10 2014-04-21 17:14:50

kultex
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

so log in with tux

get root - then

tazx

Choose:

neomagic

After neomagic driver download/install is finished,get user again with exit

start Xorg login manager:

slim

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#11 2014-04-23 16:11:24

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

root@slitaz:/home/tux# tazx [Enter]

gives dialog, Configure X, I can choose 3 options

xorg Install or reconfigure xorg

xfbdev Install TinyX server xfbdev

quit Quit tazx utility

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#12 2014-04-23 16:26:23

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

@Reo,

Choose Xorg Install or reconfigure Xorg

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#13 2014-04-23 17:23:19

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

It gives dialog Install Xorg

Tazx helps you to select your x driver

The only option given here is quit Qvitter

Pressing Enter takes me back to

root@slitaz:/home/tux#

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#14 2014-04-23 19:21:37

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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

I think, you are right - I remember something, that you cannot install something on the lowram iso.

I see 3 possibilities

1) you borrow 256 MB of Ram

2) you install Slitaz to harddisk, from the box - this is possible - afterwards you can run tazx

3) somebody makes a lowramiso with tazlito, with all the neomagic packages - this can be also done with pizza

just as an example - http://pizza.slitaz.me/?id=20130911-13188 - this is also a lowram iso

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#15 2014-04-23 21:08:54

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Strange, I ran SliTaz 4.0 loram in frugal mode and launched tazx.

It has worked correctly and I can install a video driver without any problem.

The only case I have no list and only the choice between to [c]quit [/c] and [c]Quitter [/c]is when I boot without any ethernet connection.

Well, you are using the loram ISO, not the loram-cdrom ISO?

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#16 2014-04-24 11:01:32

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

I am quite sure that I used the right iso,"SliTaz 4.0 loram.iso" even though I had all 3 of them in the same directory at the time.

The Splash screen tells me: SliTaz GNU/Linux - 4.0 20120410

I can choose to boot from:

Live

Core Live

gtkonly Live

justx Live

base Live

Which one is frugal?

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#17 2014-04-24 13:10:41

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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

this one is 4 in one - no lowram - the lowram you will find here:

http://mirror.slitaz.org/iso/4.0/flavors/

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#18 2014-04-24 15:48:30

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

I have my doubts about this.

but so far I have burned 2 discs.

I for sure downloaded:

SliTaz GNU/Linux 4.0 (35 Mb) - slitaz-4.0.iso

While checking out this Live cd from Windows at properties it says SliTaz core-4in1 and it occupies 36 419 584 byte on the disc.

As I see it I also downloaded slitaz-4.0-loram.iso and properties says SliTaz LiveCD and it occupies 42 131 456 byte on the disc.

If this really is slitaz-4.0-loram.iso, we dont know for sure at the time, but downloading it again, will probably settle it.

By the way, when I boot from Windows I have Internet acces, wireless from router. But not while booting from SliTaz.

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#19 2014-04-24 17:07:25

Guest
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

slitaz-4.0-loram-cdrom.iso    2012-Apr-11 09:43:56   @    163.0M    application/octet-stream

slitaz-4.0-loram-cdrom.md5    2012-Apr-11 09:48:14   @    0.1K    text/plain

slitaz-4.0-loram.iso            2012-Apr-10 22:38:36   @    41.0M    application/octet-stream

slitaz-4.0-loram.md5            2012-Apr-10 22:38:55   @    0.1K    text/plain

Depending on your computer's specs:- lowram or (to run from CD) lowram-cdrom

If you are intending to install to disk, it sounds like you may need to create a swap partition first, before trying to install, & when installed, add in the neomagic graphics driver to get the GUI. (Likely need to reboot)

Hope that helps.

#20 2014-04-24 18:05:19

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

Your 3:rd line indicates that I am using the right download.

(slitaz-4.0-loram.iso 2012-Apr-10 22:38:36 @ 41.0M application/octet-stream)

At least if you compare the date, 2012-Apr-10 with the date that appears on the splash screen.

I certainly would like to see at least a graphical desktop from the live cd, before I wipe the computer clean and installs something.

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#21 2014-04-24 18:35:09

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

@Reo,

As kultex, I woulld have give my shirt that slitaz-4.0-loram.iso was a single rootfs ISO. I download the ISO and mount it and... it is a multi-rootfs image. So you probably you use the good version. To be sure, open /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg in your CDrom and check line #33 is

   [c]append 102416 core 114404 gtkonly 69740 justx 39200 base noram[/c]
In 4-in-1 it is

   [c]append 192M core 160M gtkonly 100M justx 48M base noram[/c]

Which one is frugal?

Frugal mode is a way similar to Live to run SliTaz but kernel and the 4 rootfs#.gz are installed on the HDm not on a CDrom.

Try this:

[*]boot from your Live

[*]when menu displays, go down on Core Live and hit the [Tab] key

[*]add at the end of the command line that is displayed

   [c]nomodeset screen=text[/c]

[*]hit [Enter]

[*]login as tux and type [c]startx[/c][c][/c]

Is there an error message?

By the way, when I boot from Windows I have Internet acces, wireless from router. But not while booting from SliTaz.

If you don't have access to internet then it's normal you cannot run tazx.

@kultex,

Is it normal that in the loram ISO we need less memory (102416) to run Core that to run gtkonly (114404) ?

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#22 2014-04-24 20:05:41

kultex
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

@ ceel - its 4 in 1 - so for core you load all 4 compressed parts

I tried this morning to make a pizza iso http://pizza.slitaz.me/?id=20140424-3957, but I did something went wrong with lowram - never tried a lowram before

Maybe you have time to try to make the lowram flavor - because with his situation, its quite hard - no internet+ so less rams

I am busy until Sunday

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#23 2014-04-25 07:21:22

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

@kultex,

OK, I'll try to find time tonight.

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#24 2014-04-25 16:12:52

Reo
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

There were only 2 lines, when I opened isolinux.cfg in notepad. but I found:

append 102416 core 114404 gtkonly 69740 justx 39200 base noram.

As for the error message, I would better upload an image.

There is no urgency to make pizzaz in the middle of the night though. I will be offline, internetwise for the next couple of days.

[attachment=29287,1404]

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#25 2014-04-25 20:08:07

Ceel
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Re: Graphical desktop not opening

First time I cook a pizza on SliTaz.

Hope it'll be at your taste...

ISO is here: http://pizza.slitaz.me/?id=20140425-692

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