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#26 2012-02-13 19:46:43

Trixar_za
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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Checked out the dependencies and it needs some of the texlive packages to work hmm

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#27 2012-02-13 20:03:59

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Uff, my prayer that it does not need toooo much of them! The figure that was told here was frightening. But from another distri on my machine I know that a quite fair set of this LaTeX-motor is below or at par with LibreOffice - unless you need a lot of special modules. Then it is better to establish another partition and mount it on demand! ;-)

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#28 2012-02-13 21:10:10

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Well, from what I read, it only needs the libraries/micros you call and the compiler. It's still around 90MB total, even with something as small as Gummi

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#29 2012-02-13 21:23:06

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Thanks,

I just prepared an extra version of cooking only for compiling. But in this second I am busy with trying to establish the second nvidia-driver that I have compiled. The module nvidia is there, but nouveau is loaded. I do not know how to unload (stop) nouveau and how to establish the module nvidia.ko.

root@slitaz:~# lsmod | grep nvidia

nvidia              10876631 30

agpgart                18221  3 nvidia,ttm,drm

i2c_core               12192  5 nouveau,nvidia,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit

Any idea?

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#30 2012-02-13 21:28:35

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

No chance for an amateur like me:

(from ,,sh configure")

checking for GLIB - version >= 2.20.0...

*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.30.2, but GLIB (2.28.6)

*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best

*** to remove the old version of GLib. You may also be able to fix the error

*** by modifying your LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable, or by editing

*** /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure you have run ldconfig if that is

*** required on your system.

*** If pkg-config was wrong, set the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH

*** to point to the correct configuration files

no

configure: error: You need Glib >= 2.20.0 to build gummi

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#31 2012-02-14 00:18:19

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

The most funny things happen at night:

by chance (I looked for more recent nvidia-related things) I came by recommendation of pankso to

What did my ill eyes see?

http://distro.ibiblio.org/slitaz/packages/cooking/

http://distro.ibiblio.org/slitaz/packages/cooking/TeXmacs-windows-fonts-1.0.tazpkg

Great, yes?

What I said before is true, though. One needs a ,,motor", an established TeX/LaTeX-system as well. But this editor is handy. No means not to try to compile Gummi, my guess would be. This one is nice, but quite, ähm, academic.

root@slitaz:~# texmacs --help

Options for TeXmacs:

  -b [file]  Specify scheme buffers initialization file

  -c [i] [o] Convert file 'i' into file 'o'

  -d         For debugging purposes

  -fn [font] Set the default TeX font

  -g [geom]  Set geometry of window in pixels

  -h         Display this help message

  -i [file]  Specify scheme initialization file

  -p         Get the TeXmacs path

  -q         Shortcut for -x "(quit-TeXmacs)"

  -r         Reverse video mode

  -s         Suppress information messages

  -S         Rerun TeXmacs setup program before starting

  -v         Display current TeXmacs version

  -V         Show some informative messages

  -x [cmd]   Execute scheme command

  -Oc        TeX characters bitmap clipping off

  +Oc        TeX characters bitmap clipping on (default)

Please report bugs to <bugs@texmacs.org>

root@slitaz:~# texmacs -S

Welcome to TeXmacs 1.0.7.8

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since this seems to be the first time you have run this

version of TeXmacs, I will first analyze your system

in order to set up some TeX paths in the correct way.

This may take some seconds; the result can be found in

        /root/.TeXmacs/system/settings.scm

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TeXmacs] kpsepath does not work with your TeX distribution

TeXmacs] kpsewhich does not work with your TeX distribution

TeXmacs] MakeTeXTFM does not work with your TeX distribution

TeXmacs] MakeTeXPK does not work with your TeX distribution

TeXmacs] texhash does not work with your TeX distribution

TeXmacs] locate does not work; I will try something else

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I could not find a TeX system on your system

If you did install one, please set the system variables

        TEX_TFM_PATH

        TEX_PK_PATH

with the paths where the tfm resp. pk file

can be found on your system and restart TeXmacs

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WARNING: fonts may not be displayed correctly

Either install a TeX system or make sure that

you installed the TeXmacs-extra-fonts package

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Installation completed successfully !

I will now start up the editor

Goodnigt! ;-)

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#32 2012-02-14 05:29:07

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

I hope you know how to use emacs though wink

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#33 2012-02-14 07:33:16

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

:-)

Some personal words to Emacs/Vim etc.:

Everybody has a kind of limit. My motivation for Linux is a political one. I vote for Freedom and would use it even in case it would be, technically, of lower quality than the offers of the proprietary world. Nice that it is opposite.

The concept of both is brillant. But you can work with them only if you admit some weeks of personal training till you have the necessary automatic work flow. This demand I reject. In case of trouble I can create some text files on the console ( $: >> file.txt, then write the lines, store and stop with ctrl+z) but further I do not want to go. Same with elinks: fascinating, the hottest browser on earth, but not for me.

This is software only for people who want to live on this island. I started to learn a ,,PC" in 2003, with Win 98 and Internet. 4 weeks later I decided that the proprietary PC world is not for me, that a machine that I bought must do what I order it to do and not execute automatically processes in my backyard that I cannot understand, not control and which are in general against my financial and political interests. The vendor-lock-in-thing is for brainless slaves, for right-wing voters who want and need a ,,Führer".

But you will admit: since 2003 working with the PC to have a screen is more like bread than cake, in the sense of Marie-Antoinette, isn't it?

Plus: from my work in school I know that things like Emacs or even Vim are a too heavy burden of entrance for people, who do not want to understand what the difference between *.rtf (*.odt) and *.docx is and what => political consequence it has. Whatever you offer or explain: an Xscreen is the minimum.

Ok, LaTeX is admittedly for the elite of those who deal with texts in any form. But it is OpenSource from the beginning, much more ,,logic" and much more transparent than Emacs. But the real world is more funny than you might invent: imagine typical ,,Anti-Nerds", 40-60 years old, University people, working in exotic branches like Archaeology, Historic Geography etc. - these people learned to work and to use Emacs for their daily work (on Windows, of course!) because of - LaTeX! Much more than any of our readers would imagine. Have a look at CTAN and ask yourself: what kind of people are these guys?

Working with LaTeX the fun of daily work depends on aesthetics as well. In this respect the surface look of a software is quite important for its acceptance. I guess that you have some distri running KDE at hand, do you? Then run kile or texmaker just for a look. LyX looks much better with KDE-iconry than on Slitaz. Such an optical impression of the surface one should have. In this respect TeXmacs  is less good - and with gtk-icons even more. Gummi looks much better and is, look at the guy who made it, more ,,recent".

OT: from another thread. For a weather like we have today here, gray-cloudy-foggy, the adjacent picture would give a nice wallpaper. Believe me that technically it is good enough for a 1280 Pixel screen but, as you wanted it, this little piece has been downsized to 795 Pixel and quality 90%. For my taste a wallpaper must be ,,decent". The action I want to concentrate on is happening within the opened software windwos.

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#34 2012-02-14 07:56:10

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Sorry, I forgot to add one thing.

The quuick way to understand how LaTeX works is the screenshot page of Gummi

http://dev.midnightcoding.org/projects/gummi/wiki/Screenshots

In case they want to work with Texlive (the complete version) then it really makes sense to place it on an own partition, 3 GB, and mount it. It demands space, but does not make the work slow. LaTeX runs quick and smooth even with a very old machine, 258 MB RAM - just the space. But one can use as well a smaller version like I tried to explain it. On Mandriva 2008.1, KDE 3.5.1 the command ,,du -h /usr/share/tex*" shows about 23 MB (Kile and Texmaker are installed). This is not enough, I guess with all the necessary minimum auxilliaries it would sum up to a bit more, but not much more than LibreOffice needs.

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#35 2012-02-14 10:08:34

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

texlive is really the only TeX micro and complier package that's still being developed. Gummi is still kind in dev too and missing some advanced features.

I would say give emacs a chance. It's not for everybody, but it's also not just for programmers. It's not as extreme as vim and it's pretty feature overkill. To give you an example, it comes with several games built-in - amongst others. So give it a look and decide if it's worth learning tongue

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#36 2012-02-14 10:20:47

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

What advanced featured are missing in Gummi?

I guess that the ,,normal sized" versions of texlive, like Mandriva for instance has one, take about 250-300 MB space. And texmaker as a gui could most likely work with it.

Do not misunderstand me, please, I can only speak for myself (never in my life I started a PC-game, as I find them boring). Simply I do not know people who would start any LaTeX in case emacs would be a conditio sine qua non. My personal decision on it I described - with enough details, as I hope.

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#37 2012-02-14 12:27:43

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

An addition:

a swift ,,tutti frutti" installation of texlive in Mandriva 2010.2 took 468 MB, whereas TeXMacs alone with its dependancies thenafter (!) claimed 360 MB. There is therefore enough playground for developers to tackle this issue for slitaz - and why not you, pankso?

(I am not a technician and my talents are in stress when I have to try to check, whether I can install a Nvidia driver to slitaz-cooking; I am on the countryside, my net has the ,,speed" of 120 KB/sec)

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#38 2012-02-14 20:42:48

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

Emacs comes with an integrated mode for editing LaTeX files, but this mode is somewhat, say... limited.

As an add-on package you may install AUCTeX. It is a far better package for editing LaTeX and if you know how to use Emacs a little bit, I'm certain you will like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBzvlKtDFmQ

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#39 2012-02-16 15:51:21

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Re: latex on slitaz - possible, but...

I do not want to vote against emacs here. But I want to insist that any texlive-version on Slitaz should have (it still has TexMacs and now Gummi) an editor usable for the never-emacs-fraction of the populace.

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