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first - nice to see pankso back - hi Christophe - so hopefully there will be slitaz 4.0
I would like to debug atheros and geode bugs, but with the current cooking.iso it is realy hard. There have been so many changes since May and the main bug is, that "# /usr/bin/get-linux-source" is not working any more.
I have tried two rolling isos, but they do not boot on my Thinkpad X31.
And if it is not possible to get a working new cooking.iso, perhaps it would be great to have a development flavor with all the necessities alredy installed. Then I think it is also easiser for not so much experienced users to help developing 4.0
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- install cooking on hard drive (latest is from Mai 2011),
- #tazpkg recharge,
- #tazpkg upgrade (answer yes when asked for).
Then you'll have a fresh cooking.
Sorry if I did not understand your request.
:-)
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If we keep waiting for the time to be 'right' to help or expect others to fix things for us, then SliTaz 4 will never be released. We should stop putting everything on pankso and rather split up what needs to be done for the SliTaz 4 release so we all can work on it. Even a small contribution would be worth a million times more than making (useless) suggestions for others to follow. The same goes all the complaints and people that claim they donate money so they shouldn't /have/ to help. Donations are great, but this project would better benefit from your time than your donation.
So everybody, CONTRIBUTE and SliTaz 4 will be released soon. Help pankso and SliTaz get there, even if your contribution is something small like an icon because even something that small is a step towards finishing SliTaz 4. So get into it.
@pankso Tell us what you need from us and we'll help you.
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@totoetsasoeur
#tazpkg upgrade ends up with the same kernelpanic like the rolling iso
and I tried yesterday to compile compat-wireless and I did not manage to compile it. I did the same as a some month ago, where it worked.
as I remember, I just did whats described here http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:kernel plus installing bash
but "# /usr/bin/get-linux-source" is not working now.
and if you look on the forum, how many people have troubles with compiling, I just thought it would be nice to have an iso with all the dev tools installed, so you just have to do make & make install - just out of the box
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@kultex
No problem here booting rolling on AMD XP barton with 1 GB ram:
0c6e2e08b99c3ce93459862a07562d9b slitaz-core.iso
#tazpkg -gi linux-source
#get-linux-source
http://pastebin.com/Nvu79DRF
One of the patches fails but linux-source still installs to /usr/src/linux-2.6.37
Line 393:
Hunk 2 FAILED 238/239
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so its clear that you have to use the rolling iso for compiling, because with the cooking iso, it does not download linux-2.6.37.tar.bz2 - see attachment
and I cannot use the rolling iso, because it does not boot on my X31, the Portege R100 and the Alix 1c (Geode LX800) - all the other machines are out at the moment - I can try the rolling iso tomorrow on another intel machine
I could not upload the txt so:
http://pastebin.com/5wzCeP9m
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It sounds strange to me. Once a week, I do a [c]tazpkg upgrade[/c] on my system (based on cooking-Xorg-light). No trouble so far. I guess there is a missunderstanding somewhere.
About the increasing number of users having trouble trying to compile: to me it is clear that most of them are just beginners. They do not even know what are headers files, what is a module, etc, ... They never compiled a "hello world", but would like to start compiling a kernel... 8-(
Well, I am sure you catch my meaning.
Cheers.
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@totoetsasoeur - if you would have read these posts, it would have been clear, that these people are not beginners
ok it is clear now - the Asus EP20, which is a kind of EEE-Box does not boot from the stick, so I had to burn a CD - it booted well, so I tried afterwards with my extern DVD-Rom on the X-31 and booting was also ok - there is a different bzImage and a different vmlinuz-2.6.37 compared to cooking iso.
if you only work frugal, then bzImage and vmlinuz are not changed by running tazusb after tazpkg upgrade and as it is still 2.6.37 - I did not think of changing the two files.
and mojo - I was all the time wondering on your posts what is tazpkg -gi xxx.tazpkg - is he to lazy to write get-install.....and I really spent hours to check this, because I searched the error in my inability. Mojo gets it and me not - so I am stupid.....
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and as the example michaelbischof with all his troubles shows - with the change of bzImage and vmlinuz its necessary to get a new cooking
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@kultex
No, not stupid, tunnel-view in direct translation from German! I had admittedly the same problem, but only for 2 minutes. ;-)
@totoetsasoeur
I do not feel insulted from being called a beginner. I would say I am a bit lazy if it comes to compiling. I used an older machine and found out, simply, that under no circumstances it was possible to make the non-free driver work. To compile from a frugal install on a 500 MB RAM-machine is no fun. And when I found out that
1. there is no trouble in using this non-free thing with 3.0
2. a student or pupils to whome I would recommend Slitz never-ever would do that
- then I stopped that. If it does not work with 2.6.37, new or old cooking whatever, then it does not work and I stop to use that.
You will admit, please, that on old hardware the surface look plays some role in customer acceptance. And the way fonts look like is an important part of that.
To have less trouble with compiling but => without leaving the Slitaz basic concept one should have a flavor, e.g. of cooking, with everything installed just to be booted once to compile something. But apparently it makes sense only in case that both (the used cooking kernel and the one in the compiling.iso) really use the same kernel.
@mojo: just to check it out I tried the same on slitaz-core but got nothing else than fails. Why? If I would know that...
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You do know to have a complete iso with all the slitaz-toolchain, required headers files, perl, tcl, python et al would probably mean having a SliTaz iso around the size of 300MB and a 1GB RAM requirement. I doubt that will happen unless it locks the CD/DVD drive while running like loram-cdrom, which means the compiled files go in RAM a long with the required RAM for boot (which is like 32MB). The latter is probably the best solution for it.
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No, I had not known and learned that in pain! On that old machine I simply could not compile what I wanted. All I got were errors and segmentation faults.
Such machines are out there, but I guess Slitaz was not designed for them. What I did should have been not much more than a little proof of concept. If it works right out of the box, like nvidia non-free on 3.0, it is much better for the => user. The developers or the hard-core nerds compile anyway.
If I know enough to understand why sometimes the ressources for nice eye-candy can be so huge that the fun with it would be gone (screenlets, may be) then it is ok by me.
This thread wants to discuss a new cooking. What I observed is this:
boot cooking xorg-light. Check lsmod. No module, vesa or nouveau is shown. Then try ,,tazhw setup nvidia --non-free". It runs smooth. But when you stop the Xscreen, run ,,nvidia-xconfig" - then you sit in front of a black screen. The error message is: ,,module nouveau" is missing. Hey, what is this? I did not run ,,tazx" and then installed ,,nv". So there is something wrong inside, yes? Either this kernel 2.6.37 of cooking cannot handle it or some misconfiguration. I do not know. All I can do is try it, check it out and tell here my observation - as I am => no developer.
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I support the argument of kultux.
On an old Dell laptop with a
NV11 [GeForce2 Go] graphic card it was simply impossible to install slitaz-cooking or slitaz-rolling.iso. The driver nouveau simply cannot handle this card. And the standard driver vesa shows a 1024-resolution on a 1600 Pixel-screen, that means a small screen, ridiculous.
Slitaz stable 3.0 runs on it. Apparently it is no good idea to upgrade it. An old slitaz-cooking on this machine runs perfect as well. I won't upgrade that either into the present mess.
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