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#1 2018-09-03 12:20:38

R8
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SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hello,

I installed SliTaz Rolling (from a live USB ==> Web ==> Rolling) but when I reboot I don't see the boot loader.

During the installation, I didn't forget to choose to install a boot loader.

I have no error message, I see nothing on the screen (it's just a black screen).

It's just like there is no OS (but SliTaz is well installed on the disk, I checked it with a live version).

Strange because in the past I installed SliTaz a lot of a times on this PC (Asus Eee PC 900) with this method and I had never this problem.

Other users with the same problem ? I suppose there is a problem with GRUB.

Thanks for your help

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#2 2018-09-06 05:20:09

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I got the same result on a recent install..... just no sign of the bootloader......coincidently I'm using a similar machine eeePC700 and fortunately I had Slitaz running on an sd card in the memory slot and used that grub to boot into the new install. (changed the target to sda1).

we'll need to see what grub4dos offers/

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#3 2018-09-06 20:39:46

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hello

Thanks for your message.

But do you have to do this every time you restart the laptop ?

Or we have to do this once and then we have to change something in the files of GRUB installed on sda1?

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#4 2018-09-06 21:16:41

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I wish I could supply the answers to that......I did discover that none of the grubs were installed so I installed grub4dos and then did # nano /boot/grub/menu.lst which is populated with the correct code to run grub.......looks like it just needs whatever is necessary to start grub...more googling to work out the next step????

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#5 2018-09-07 15:02:07

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hi plumtreed, at moment for my experience, the distro rolling install correctly if only run from cdrom.

There is my step for testing too:

Warning: the installation with usb stick not work!

Edit: have create an usb stick with slitaz-rolling.iso

dd if=slitaz-rolling.iso of=/dev/sdb (on this case sdb is my stik)

set from bios legacy usb support enabled

launch from usb the live

from tazpanel installer on my case the usb source are detected /dev/sdb... but there is vrong the device are /dev/sdb1 !

close the installer, and the trick to temporary correct the installation is:

open terminal as root and then

rm /dev/sr0

ln -s /dev/sdb /dev/sr0

launch tazpanel installer and select the source “live cd”

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#6 2018-09-07 21:10:02

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hi Gibor, thanks for the info........hard to find a cdrom around here now....use them to scare the birds away from the blueberries:(

....I'll get back to you!

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#7 2018-09-07 21:27:31

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hi gibor,

There is no CD on my laptop and on the laptop of plumtreed.

wink

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#8 2018-09-08 06:26:57

gibor
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

@plumtread @R8

Sorry for my poor english, but the trick is for usb stik...

Edit: have create an usb stick with slitaz-rolling.iso

dd if=slitaz-rolling.iso of=/dev/sdb (on this case sdb is my stik)

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#9 2018-09-08 07:16:09

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I think your English is doing the job and is much better than my Italian!

I'm not getting the result you suggest....not sure why.

I go through the process again, after I feed the cat, and get back to you!

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#10 2018-09-08 08:26:30

gibor
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I think not work why your netbook not have cdrom, and udev (or udevil...)  not create /dev/cdrom

try to make forced the device cdrom.

For resume:

create usb stick with dd

dd if=slitaz-rolling.iso of=/dev/sdb (on this case sdb is my stik)

launch live

open terminal as root and then

ln -s /dev/sdb /dev/cdrom

launch the installer and verify the choice of source “cdrom live” exist.

Select this and install

Good luck!

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#11 2018-09-08 09:20:26

plumtreed
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Followed steps as suggested and cdrom appeared as a choice but the result was the same. The system installed but boot loader didn't appear. I had to use the grub in the sd card to boot up the new install.

Thanks for all your help and we will get there soon.....not giving up just yet.

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#12 2018-09-08 10:02:52

gibor
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Last my chance:

If you want, from live after installation, save the /var/log/tazinst.log and post on forum...

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#13 2018-09-08 10:40:48

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hey, looks like my fault, after cleaning up the destination drive, reformat and new partitions, your heads-up worked like a charm, thank you for your tip and also your patience.:)

....and just saying to R8....u don't need a CD....just this crafty Italian work-around!

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#14 2018-09-08 13:43:28

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hello wink

For me, it is not OK sad

I tried whtat gibor explained:

dd if=slitaz-rolling.iso of=/dev/sdc (because sdc is my live USB)

==> OK, I see the option "Live CD" in the install.

But, when I reboot, no GRUB.

And I tried 2 times (I cleaned al the destination drives also).

In attachment, my tazinst.log.

Can you help me?

Thanks!

---

Just one more thing :

I didn't use dd to make my live USB. I downloaded the .iso from my Windows system and used Win32DiskImager to make the Live USB.

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#15 2018-09-08 15:07:52

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

For me this point not are claire

Installation de SliTaz sur : /dev/sda1

Format /dev/sda1 (ext4)

Format /dev/sdb1 (ext4)

Installation de grub sur : /dev/sda

The file /mnt/target/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.

My test is based from slitaz-rolling.iso downloaded from link

http://mirror.slitaz.org/iso/rolling/slitaz-rolling.iso

dd used is a standard slitaz version (or other linux distro)  windows version dont so...

(if you want try WinDD or another linux with gnu dd https://sourceforge.net/projects/windd/ )

the partiton installation are format on ext3 (slitaz (GNU GRUB 0.97) not support ext4)

on final doubt I not have selected any separated home partition

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#16 2018-09-09 00:11:02

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I continued to get a reference to LILO ecerytime I loaded which necessitated the destination clean-up.....I formatted and set up new partitions, including a /home ........and flagged sda1 as boot?.....i also, traditionally run as ext3 which, for some reason, reduces boot time in Slitaz???

I followed Gibors instructions, used only the terminal & Linux to DD etc and found that things are working.

I feel that cleaning up the destination made the difference for me, I used the terminal to make sure it was done correctly but Gparted should be just as good!

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#17 2018-09-09 08:40:31

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Have tried Win32DiskImager and it work well.

The bug is grub to do no support ext4, but not so why the keymaster not have warning for this!

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#18 2018-09-09 10:28:45

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hi,

1/dd

I didn't succeed to make a bootable USB with 'dd'. Sorry, I know that you explained how to do this(dd if=slitaz-rolling.iso of=/dev/sdb) but I can not do this (errors).

2/ext4

Do I understand that the problem is (maybe) because I use partitions in ext4? Format in ext3 should be a solution?

3/Win32DiskImager

Yes, I can make bootable USB with this software, it works well.

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#19 2018-09-09 10:45:25

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Hello,

I made a new installation:

1/From my Windows system (other laptop), I downloaded slitaz-rolling.iso.

2/From my windows system (other laptop), with Win32DiskImager, I created a bootable USB stick.

3/I run SliTaz live from the bootable USB stick.

4/With Gparted, I made new partitions in ext3 on the destinations drives.

5/I installed SliTaz (from 'Web' - rolling). /boot on the 1st drive and /home on the second drive. Both partitions formatted in ext3.

And... I reboot ==> OK!

So, the only change is that I formatted the partitions in ext3 and not ext4!

It is now OK, but I am really surprised.

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#20 2018-09-09 20:42:20

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Happy to hear you are up and running....... a lot of 'hit &miss' type of work;) I didn't think ext3 would offer a solution......some time ago I found the boot process worked quicker using ext3 so I changed

My SD card, an older install of  Slitaz, runs happily on ext4?

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#21 2018-09-09 20:46:03

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I used ext4 since a lot of years with SliTaz and I had never problem. The problem began around March or April 2018 when I tried a new installation.

I suppose there was a change in the .iso who is responsable of the problem.

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#22 2018-09-10 03:32:41

gibor
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Find the word on web “Ext4 support in Grub 0.9X (legacy)” and view the bug are cronical...

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#23 2018-09-11 06:59:42

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

Legacy grub (Grub 0.9X) in SliTaz is Grub4DOS. It includes EXT4 support.

But the legagy grub relies on BIOS/INT13 which can be limited to 500MB or 8GB with old BIOSes :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#x86_BIOS_size_limitations

You should begin your disk with a <500MB partition for /boot.

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#24 2018-09-11 10:41:39

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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

I don't know if anybody noticed but we tried to install a 'new' rolling download....32bit, and we had to 'trick' the system into thinking we were using a cd.........it was the only way to get it to run?

We didn't get a choice of which grub we would like....is this an official retrograde step.  I guess i thought I was going to get the most recent rolling iteration  of Slitaz.

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#25 2018-09-12 12:54:33

R8
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Re: SliTaz fresh install - Boot problem

@plumtreed

Hello, not for me me. Read my message http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/slitaz-fresh-install-boot-problem/page/2#post-46625 where I explain the complete solution to install SliTaz on my laptop. For me, it was not necessary to do the manipulation to let the system think that I used a CD. I just installed SliTaz with my USB (and then: Web/Rolling) on ext3 partitions (using ext4 was the only problem for me).

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